>gamble," but I do agree with John: I very much doubt we would actually >impact the cash flow of the casino, it's not like they would close it >to outsiders ;-) True, and by Vegas standards, the IETF is a pretty small meeting. The recent CES had 170,000 attendees and 3800 booths. I have no love for Las Vegas, but on a quick peek at the city's meeting planner site I asked for hotels with at least 1000 rooms, 40K sq ft of meeting space, and a meeting room that can hold 1500, and it immediately found 19 different hotels that could do that. On the other hand, some hotels really do tell meetings to go away if the people are low spenders. My father used to run a company that gave short technical courses, several running at once each with 20 to 50 people for 3-5 days. They'd been using the same hotel for years until one day the hotel told them we love you, but your people don't drink enough so you'll have to find another place. R's, John