>Let me ask, since you clearly have opinions on such matters - what would you think of such >an arrangement? What am I missing in such a proposal? I think it would be a fine idea to return to venues that have worked well in the past. On the other hand, in nine years I will be 70 years old and it is not clear to me how involved I will be in the IETF in 2024. We do need to think about outreach and bringing in new people, but given the way the IETF works, where meetings are almost entirely working sessions, people at the sessions are expected to have done their homework and know something about the topic, and tutorials in WG meetings are generally considered to be a poor use of limited time, it doesn't seem to me that the physical meetings are a particularly good way to bring in people who aren't already reading the mailing lists. R's, John