I agree. Groups should actually be free to use whatever tools make sense for the task at hand. One group I run in ODL simply uses IRC and makes fine progress, but another uses G Hangouts, and NETMOD uses WebEx + Etherpad. It shouldn’t matter as long as the collaboration is as effective as possible for the participants. If it isn’t, the WG Chairs should be empowered to make it so. —Tom > On Dec 11, 2015:4:22 AM, at 4:22 AM, Benoit Claise <bclaise@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > Hi Dan, > > I understand your arguments: cost and the ease of having a meetecho/webex these days. > However, I've been in at least one interim meeting focused on white board sessions. > And, even with all the good will, white board sessions and remote participations, just don't work together. > > I favor a should in your initial sentence: > "Remote participation (via Meetecho or similar) must be provided" > > Regards, Benoit >> Hi Jari, >> >> I oscillated between 'should' and 'must' myself. The principal reason I ended with a 'must' was that agreeing on exceptions can be perceived as excluding people from the process. In the real world some of us live justifying funds for 1-2 days interim of one WG is more difficult than getting a full IETF week approved. Remote participation is the only option. The 'must' requirement also seems pretty ubiquitous nowadays - it translates into 'the host of a f2f interim must ensure that a microphone and external phone connection exists in the room and the chairs must activate Meetecho or Webex'. >> >> Regards, >> >> Dan >> >> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Jari Arkko [mailto:jari.arkko@xxxxxxxxx] >>> Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2015 10:02 PM >>> To: Romascanu, Dan (Dan) >>> Cc: ietf@xxxxxxxx >>> Subject: Re: For Review: IESG Statement on Guidance on Face-to-Face and >>> Virtual Interim Meetings >>> >>> Dan, >>> >>>> I suggest to add the following bullet to the face-to-face interim guidelines: >>>> >>>> - Remote participation (via Meetecho or similar) must be provided >>> I think that's a good addition, although I'd probably use the keyword 'should' >>> to leave some wiggle room for special situations. We don't need to specify >>> everything that the working groups do as rules. >>> If the WG has reasonable leadership, they will do the right thing. >>> >>> Jari >> . >> >