Hi Pete, On 13/08/15 22:31, Pete Resnick wrote: > It should take all of an hour to rewrite this into a draft that doesn’t > sound like a joint opinion of the leadership. I think it's really great that someone can actively participate in the IETF for many years and serve terms on the IAB and IESG and still produce statements like that that are a real masterpiece of unfounded but boundless optimism and naivety:-) While it might only take one person one hour to craft new text, that is utterly irrelevant here, sort of like saying that doing a hard thing is easy because all you have to do is start. I think it's been said before but the answer to you (with which I know you disagree) is that the resulting text wouldn't really be any better, that it'd take an awful lot more than an hour's effort (as folks just would not resist the temptation to add/change/etc once text is open for edits), that we would lose what some people consider a benefit in affirming the existing text, and that we'd be doing all of that for what are in the end process-minutiae reasons. And yes, I know you think there is a distinction that needs to be made there and (after we IM'd) I know you know (and disagree with) at least the arguments I've seen/made against that, so I'm pretty sure we do understand one another, and, should the eventual outcome of all of this be that we do make this status change in-place, that it'll be safe to say your preferred approach was considered but not adopted. S.