--On Tuesday, June 30, 2015 09:53 -0700 Dave Crocker <dhc@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > On 6/29/2015 7:36 AM, The IESG wrote: >> The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and >> solicits final comments on this action. > > The document's phrasing needs to be simpler, for clarity and > to avoid redundancies that invite divergence: That is a better way to state much of the point I was trying to make. >... > In theoretical terms, Klensin's observation that the precise > boundaries of "first IETF meeting" are not well specified is > correct. Rather than try to fix that I suggest language along > the lines of: > > during the first -> around the time of the first > That's sloppy formal specification, of course, but will work > just fine for the purpose here. Wfm. And, again, consistent with the general observation that we need to assume we can trust people to act sensibly and should not over-specify things. If we can not make that trust assumption, we should be trying to work on those issues, not on this relatively minor topic. >... > ...the term of an IAOC member begins at the start of the > IAOC meeting, which is held at the first IETF meeting of the > year, and ends at the start of the corresponding IAOC meeting, > in the year completing the term. Subject to the "around the time of" suggestion above or something equivalent, wfm. And I agree with Dave about vacancies too -- let's not make this complicated and risk creating confusion or what he refers to as divergence. john