On 6/29/2015 7:36 AM, The IESG wrote: > The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits > final comments on this action. The document's phrasing needs to be simpler, for clarity and to avoid redundancies that invite divergence: > This memo adds a requirement that the IAOC hold a face-to-face or > teleconference meeting during the first IETF meeting of each year > during which the IAOC members select an IAOC Chair and conduct other > business as needed. In theoretical terms, Klensin's observation that the precise boundaries of "first IETF meeting" are not well specified is correct. Rather than try to fix that I suggest language along the lines of: during the first -> around the time of the first That's sloppy formal specification, of course, but will work just fine for the purpose here. Also the qualification for the technical terms of the meeting (teleconference or f2f) are not relevant, since there is no constraint being applied. So don't waste words mentioning the mode. A meeting is a meeting, for the purpose being discussed here. > This memo updates BCP 101 to define that that the terms of IAOC > members normally run from the start of the IAOC face-to-face or > teleconference meeting held during the first IETF meeting of a year > until the start of the IAOC face-to-face or teleconference meeting > held during the first IETF meeting of the year in which his or her > term ends. This sort of specification text is made simpler by being cast for the singular rather than plural case. ...the term of an IAOC member begins at the start of the IAOC meeting, which is held at the first IETF meeting of the year, and ends at the start of the corresponding IAOC meeting, in the year completing the term. > This memo updates BCP 101 to define that the term of an IAOC member > that is selected to fill a vacancy runs from when the appointment or > selection of the IAOC member is announced on the IETF Announce list > until the start of the IAOC face-to-face or teleconference meeting > held during the first IETF meeting of the year in which his or her > term ends. If someone is filling a vacancy, the ending time of that slot are already defined. Redundant definition here here invites divergence. All that is needed is: ...the term of an IAOC member who is selected to fill a vacancy begins when the selection is announced on the IETF Announce list; it completes per the normal conditions for the position being filled. > This memo also updates BCP 101 to state that the term of the IAOC > Chair runs from when the Chair is selected by the IAOC members until > the start of the next IAOC face-to-face or teleconference meeting > held during the first IETF meeting of a year. > > Since the IETF Trust Agreement defines "Eligible Persons to serve as > Trustees" as the "then-current member[s] of the IAOC", ([Trust > Agreement] sections 3.1 and 6.1) the above change also resolves the > issues with selecting a Chair of the IETF Trust during a face-to-face > or teleconference meeting of the Trustees during the first IETF > meeting of a year. -- Dave Crocker Brandenburg InternetWorking bbiw.net