On 6/10/2015 9:40 PM, Michael StJohns wrote: > Through "consensus", we include things that are strongly presented, > vigorously defended, said by people with gravitas applicable to the > technology[, technically good], and not shouted down. It may be that > the style of interaction that you're complaining about is more related > to the "consensus" process than to any other element. If may be that > if you want to change the confrontational style, you're going to have to > change the way things become standards. In spite of formal voting, some other standards groups either explicitly or implicitly use a unanimity (not 'rough) consensus model. Still, they do not suffer anything approaching quantity of rude and disrespectful behavior that we tolerate and, arguably, condone. Adult, respectful behavior occurs when it is required. We don't require it. Not really. d/ ps. Periodic, generic -- albiet heartfelt -- pleas for better behavior might be necessary, but they have had no effect -- ever -- in almost 30 years. -- Dave Crocker Brandenburg InternetWorking bbiw.net