On Mon, Apr 20, 2015 at 5:08 PM, Dave Crocker <dhc@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > >>> > https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/removal-of-an-internet-draft.html >> Exactly. We could always turn that into a BCP I suppose, > > > Separate from the usual question of the IESG setting IETF policy by > fiat, without explicitly developing IETF rough consensus, there's the > small matter of finding that policy about the handling of Internet Drafts. > > A visitor to the ietf site, is not likely to wander through pages until > they find this policy. Yup - new visitors to the IETF also seem to not quite understand what an ID is - they seem to think that, because something is published as an Internet Draft, and is on the IETF site it means that somehow the IETF has vetted it or approves of it. This has led to multiple instances where someone (often a reporter) will find an ID and then claim that "the IETF believes" or "the IETF thinks" $whatever is in the draft[0]. The last time this happened I got fed up and wrote https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-wkumari-not-a-draft-06 > Rather, I'd expect anyone who is curious about > the draft 'series' to look at: > > ietf.org -> "Internet Drafts" <http://www.ietf.org/id-info/ > > There, the only the text they will see on removal is: > > "Internet-Drafts have no formal status, and are subject to change or > removal at any time;" > > If the IESG statement is, in fact, IETF policy on Internet Draft > removal, it probably should be cited on that page. Yup, and perhaps some text should be added to that page explaining that anyone can put whatever ravings they want to into an ID - until it is adopted by a WG, or sponsored, or accepted by the ISE, or <other interesting paths> it has no standing? W [0]: I'm sure that this is often intentional, to increase readership... > > d/ > -- > Dave Crocker > Brandenburg InternetWorking > bbiw.net > -- I don't think the execution is relevant when it was obviously a bad idea in the first place. This is like putting rabid weasels in your pants, and later expressing regret at having chosen those particular rabid weasels and that pair of pants. ---maf