--On Saturday, February 14, 2015 18:43 +0200 Yoav Nir <ynir.ietf@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > Also, supporting remote participation in a better way than it > works today costs more money than is being expended today. > That money has to come from somewhere. As a periodic remote participant, some observations: First, the big costs to me of a f2f meetin are associated with being away from home, getting on airplanes (for some medical reasons, especially bad news when the meeting is outside North America) and staying in a hotel. The registration fees have crept up well beyond the historical nuisance and cookie charge, but are still close to the noise of overall expenses. Second, I would actually prefer to be formally registered and paying some reasonable remote participate registration fee. I'm prefer to be recorded as attending sessions I attend and participate in, whether by my name going on the blue sheet with an asterisk or by some other mechanism. I don't like the idea of others (or even their companies) subsidizing me and would prefer to be in a situation in which there were established conventions about what, as a remote participant, I have the right to expect. In general, people have been _very_ good about it, but, when the audio isn't working for the first session on Monday morning (from my observations, a common problem) I believe that I, and remote participants who are more shy about complaining than I am, should feel that we are entitled to have that situation treated as a major, probably session-stopping, problem, on a par with the in-room lights or projector not working or no one in the room being able to hear a speaker. Similar comments apply to not being able to make a comment or ask a question during a meeting because of the way the microphone lines are being managed. Now I do think that having some fee waiver systems for hardships is important, but actually no more important than having similar arrangements for hardship waivers for in-person attendees. And I don't think people who just want to listen (or watch) remotely should be charged or asked to identify themselves as the price for doing so. Nothing prevents someone who doesn't way to pay the fee or ask from a waiver fro listening and then taking issues up on the relevant mailing list either. But, if nothing else, in the interest of openness and fairness, those who are _participating_ remotely ought to be registered (like everyone else), identified as participating in specific WG sessions when they do so (like everyone else), and that it is entirely reasonable that there be a corresponding registration fee (as for everyone else). john