On Dec 8, 2014, at 4:53 AM 12/8/14, Bob Hinden <bob.hinden@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > On Dec 8, 2014, at 12:22 AM, Randy Bush <randy@xxxxxxx> wrote: > >>>> So it should be possible to reach agreement on text changes that >>>> would take this tone out of your reading. >>> >>> I actually do not think that it should be published at all, as >>> I don't think it solves any problem that the IETF is currently >>> experiencing and I tend to think that it might lead to further >>> ossification of the organization. That is to say, I think >>> that the cost/benefit balance does not work out in favor of >>> publication. >> >> i agree. i will not add a bunch of sarcastic analogies about >> more bureaucratic bumph we just don't need. >> >> i also agree with your suspicion that this is an attept to patch >> a chairing problem. one suspects possible iesg unwillingness to >> bite bullets. >> > > I agree. The list of tasks assigned in this draft to the secretary should be done by the w.g. chairs. If they can't do these tasks, then they shouldn't be chairs. > > Bob > I agree, as well. I've come to agree that there's no need for an update to RFC 2418 and no need to publish this document. Anecdotally, the two WGs I am currently administering do not generate enough admin work to warrant secretaries. - Ralph