On 12/3/14 7:05 AM, Adrian Farrel wrote: > But I would note for the second of these points that the WG secretary role > exists and there is also the concept of a "delegate". These ways of handling > IETF work are not introduced or made concrete by this document. We can't, > therefore, hold this document to account for the existence of things we don't > like. We can only ensure that the document accurately describes what exists. Absolutely, but what concerns me (I'm not going to try to speak for John) is that this document appears to normalize the secretarial role, rather than simply saying that chairs are able to delegate various tasks. There appears to be a formal vesting of responsibility in working group secretaries. I like Ralph's proposal to update 2418 to allow for wg secretary access to working group tools. Otherwise my preference would be to continue to keep the focus on chair responsibilities, including chair delegation of various tasks. Secretaries are fine but I really dislike seeing the role institutionalized. Melinda