--On Friday, October 03, 2014 09:11 -0400 Phillip Hallam-Baker <phill@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > As someone with far too many IP addressable devices in my > house, I am getting rather fed up of every new device > demanding to be hooked up to a service in the cloud. > > Yes, I get the fact that the providers are trying to razor and > blade me with their business model. But that model only works > for Gillette because the blade is the most expensive, > difficult part to make. > > As a consumer, these services in the cloud represent a lot of > risk and a painful integration nightmare. The point of > installing network addressable switches to control the lights > is so that they can be turned on and off automatically, not so > that I can control them from an iPhone where I have to press > six buttons and wait a minute for the app to load. Then > another quarter hour while it insists on updating itself. > > There is therefore a real need for a standards based device > that provides the same services these devices expect from 'the > cloud' and make them available in the local net. And it should > be really easy to connect a newly purchased device to such a > cloud. While I agree that there is a problem, and largely agree with your analysis of it, I don't see work here for which the IETF has the right expertise, at least unless there were some chance of convincing a WG like Homenet that their boundary router specs should be expanded adequately to act as a controller for these families of devices. As a more general observation, I think there are a number of areas where performance and efficiency as seen by end users, as well as security and privacy, would be well-served by moving services from shared centralized facilities (e.g., "the cloud") [back] onto more local networks that fell into the user's administrative domain and control. The class of devices described above are, IMO, just one set of instances of the more general issue. john Disclaimer: I've been doing some "day job" work that is consistent with some of the ideas suggested above and that assumes significantly more powerful edge devices for relatively small networks than we have gotten used to. To the best of my knowledge, there is no plan to bring any aspect of that work to the IETF so this is not an IPR disclosure, merely an observation about external discussions that may be influencing my thinking and comments.