On Wed, Oct 1, 2014 at 11:44 AM, Eric Burger <eburger@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Dave -
Feel free to run the analysis. I’m sure that the regular IEEE, ITU-T, and W3C fees have been going up significantly more than 2% per year, while ours have been 0% per year.
[MB] I just registered for a W3C meeting and that was $75.00/day and they will be providing me a gluten-free lunch. So, that would be $600 for 6 meeting days. [/MB]
Hotel and travel costs are hotel and travel costs irrespective of organization. While we regularly whine about venue, our choices have historically not been bad compared to other, international SDOs.
You may recall I wanted to have at least a 1% increase in the meeting fees year-over-year so that we would not have to have larger step functions. I was overruled.
I would not want to waste our money on having Ray do the analysis, as I would rather our money go towards the meetings, tools, and the RFC Editor. As Ray points out, while it would make for great advertising to show how well we have held costs low for participants, it will not affect the result announced here.
- Eric
On Oct 1, 2014, at 11:54 AM, Ray Pelletier <rpelletier@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Dave,
>
> On Oct 1, 2014, at 11:35 AM, Dave Crocker <dhc@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>> On 10/1/2014 7:43 AM, IETF Chair wrote:
>>> Early Bird Fee $650 to $700, or 8%
>> ...
>>> The cause for the increase is a trend in rising costs.
>>
>>
>> Merely as a matter of normal due diligence, I suggest having the
>> proposal include a comparison against industry-wide meeting cost trends,
>> so that the IETF increase can be considered in terms of participant fees
>> at similar types of meetings for other groups.
>>
>> In other words, does the increase for IETF attendees match the kinds of
>> increases being seen at other meetings?
>
> This would certainly be an interesting exercise, but not particularly relevant.
>
> Registration revenue is but one part of the income structure that includes
> sponsorships, hotel commissions, and Internet Society contributions to fund
> meetings, RFC Services, the Secretariat, IASA, tools maintenance and more.
>
> Total expenses over the last 8 years have increased 32%, registration fees 8%.
> Sponsorships and ISOC are not bottomless wells from which we can draw
> cash at will.
>
> Other organizations are not structured as we are. It would not be an
> apples to apples comparison.
>
> Just an additional note that the IAOC and ISOC are reviewing ways to
> achieve IETF sustainability, which I hope will lead to a diversification of
> income streams so that the IETF is not totally dependent on sponsors, ISOC
> and meeting attendees.
>
> Best
> Ray
>
>
>
>>
>> d/
>>
>> --
>> Dave Crocker
>> Brandenburg InternetWorking
>> bbiw.net
>>
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