> > On 9/1/14, 7:58 PM, Michael StJohns wrote: >> We seem to be getting (or I seem to be noticing) a lot more drafts that aren't associated with a specific working group, or are pre-WG adoption. I'm finding myself at a loss for where to go on some of these to "discuss" that isn't off-topic for whatever list I might be directed to. >> >> >> How about > > [all of that]... > > > Or actually using our working group process? > Well then you’d have to rein in the IAB… :) There was a period of time when drafts included a pointer to the mailing list where discussion was expected to take place. That useful bit of capability was dropped in the advance of progress. It was determined that pre-WG discussions would usually get lost in transition to IETF sponsored lists, so everything should occur on IETF sponsored lists… which never happens. :) /bill