On 8/12/14 1:55 PM, John Levine wrote: > I understand that Honolulu is closest place in the US to north Asia, Strictly speaking, Anchorage is more than 1000 miles closer to Beijing (as far as major US cities go) than Honolulu is and Fairbanks is closer still, but neither has large enough accomodations for the entire IETF. Anyway, I'd rather be in Minneapolis, as well. It's easy to get to and it has very productive meeting space. I understand it happens occasionally but I do wonder how common it is for someone who's an active participant to skip a meeting because they simply don't like the venue. Melinda