there's probably a discussion to be had on the interplay of process and culture. a last call list can be purely process, without establishing/introducing societal norms and conventions, while this list can be an education and fill a broader role (end2end-interest used to fill a lot of that educational role, way back when). L. ________________________________________ From: ietf <ietf-bounces@xxxxxxxx> on behalf of Ray Pelletier <rpelletier@xxxxxxxx> Sent: Tuesday, 12 August 2014 8:10:21 PM To: Nico Williams Cc: ietf@xxxxxxxx Subject: Last Call List was Re: Best tool to cut posts 6.25 inches square x 96 inches We just lost another 10% (?) from this list. At Plenary in Toronto several folks admitted to unsubscribing years ago from this list. Without judging whether or not the community needs a list for all the varied discussions that take place here, isn't it time for a Last Call list? Ray > On Aug 12, 2014, at 1:57 AM, Nico Williams <nico@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > >> On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 12:22 AM, Melinda Shore <melinda.shore@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: >>> On 8/11/14 9:13 PM, Ted Lemon wrote: >>>> On Aug 12, 2014, at 1:07 AM, Christian Huitema <huitema@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >>>> Are you guys building a bike-shed? >>> Yes, but it's a special one that's bigger on the inside... >> >> And ... we're done here. > > And to think I've resisted subscribing to _this_ list for so long. I > never knew what I was missing! >