--On Saturday, July 19, 2014 07:03 -0700 Douglas Otis <doug.mtview@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: >>>> If you would prefer a different term, please suggest one. >> >> That particular problem would be easily solved by saying >> >> "MX Resource Record with a null value" >> >> or even >> >> "MX Resource Record that, by convention, points at the >> root" > > Agreed. > > Null as a term is misleading since these MX record contain an > a value that simply won't resolve an address because it points > to root. > > Although first used in defining SRV RR where: > "A Target of "." means that the service is decidedly not > available at this domain." Trying to do fine editing on the IETF list is rarely productive so, if this level of tuning is important (I think some of it is), perhaps the document should be returned to the WG --with all of the issues on the table that were apparently not raised before Last Call-- and Last Called again when it is really ready. Personally, I find symptoms that choices of string, choices of response code, details of terminology, DNS impact, etc., were not sorted out in the WG beyond repetitions of statements like "this has been done since 2006 and no major issues have appeared", troubling in and of themselves. To me, the IETF adds value when those discussions occur both intra-area and cross-area. If that value isn't wanted, or isn't wanted beyond an editorial check, I'm not sure why we should be investing the resources. YMMD, of course. But, since I'm writing this note anyway, let me suggest that it would be entirely reasonable (maybe not ideal, but reasonable) to be very clear in the document about what is going on, perhaps with the language I suggested and Doug likes, but then to point out that the mechanism has been known as "null MX" or "nullMX" for some years and that usage will undoubtedly continue. Such a statement could even survive a change of what goes into the DATA field should that otherwise be desired. If people want to refer to this as "nullMX", that is probably no worse than an obscure acronym or abbreviation. It is also very different from the term I objected to that started this because "NULL MX Resource Record" is rather clearly DNS-incorrect and misleading. john