On Thu, Jul 03, 2014 at 12:03:47PM -0700, The IESG wrote: > The IESG has received a request from the Applications Area Working Group > WG (appsawg) to consider the following document: > - 'A NULL MX Resource Record for Domains that Accept No Mail' > <draft-ietf-appsawg-nullmx-05.txt> as Proposed Standard > > The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits > final comments on this action. Please send substantive comments to the > ietf@xxxxxxxx mailing lists by 2014-07-17. Exceptionally, comments may be > sent to iesg@xxxxxxxx instead. In either case, please retain the > beginning of the Subject line to allow automated sorting. > > Abstract > > Internet mail determines the address of a receiving server through > the DNS, first by looking for an MX record and then by looking for an > A/AAAA record as a fallback. Unfortunately this means that the A/ > AAAA record is taken to be mail server address even when that address > does not accept mail. The NULL MX RR formalizes the existing > mechanism by which a domain announces that it accepts no mail, which > permits significant operational efficiencies. So far so good, but the abstract does not mention that the I-D conflates "does not accept e-mail" assertions with "does not send e-mail". That is a big deal, and it must at the very least be mentioned in the abstract. "Does not accept e-mail" assertions are a highly desirable optimization for the delivery of non-derlivery notifications. I see absolutely no reason to conflate "does not accept" with "does not send", either in mechanism or RFC. Indeed, as the I-D mentions, the SPF already provides a method for asserting "does not send e-mail". By encouraging the inference "does not accept implies does not send" this I-D leaves us with no mechanism by which to indicate "does not accept but does send". Consider automated job ("cron") e-mail. There may be no return path. But the received headers allow the recipient to find the source of the e-mail and fix whatever problem might need fixing. Causing such e-mail to not be delivered would be a serious problem. Please do not publish this I-D as-is. Please remove the "does not accept" -> "does not send" inference and mechanism from the text. Otherwise this I-D will likely cause harm. Nico --