> My point is that mail is an old protocol and people who expect that it > can be kept going unaltered in its original form serving all the > purposes that it was never designed for but have emerged over time are > going to be upset no matter what. This is a variant of the usual refrain, over the last 20 years, about dealing with some limitation or other to email. It goes along the lines of "We need to throw out SMTP and start over." To this and the above I have my own usual refrain: There will come a point at which SMTP (or IMAP, or the email object or...) do need to be replaced. An appropriate procedure for deciding when that point has been reached needs to be: 1. Get community (rough) consensus about the non-technical characteristics for the functional change; that is, agreement about what the community wants to do with/for email that it cannot currently do. 2. The email technical community has been successfully making enhancements to the same continuously running end-to-end service for 30-40 years (depending upon how one counts); so give it a chance to find a way to incrementally improve the existing service to support whatever is needed. 3. When the technical community fails, it will be time to develop the relevant protocol/format/whatever. On the average, those calling for replacing SMTP (or whatever) have been stopped at the first step. Someday, they won't be. But until then, meta-declarations about needing to replace Internet Mail (or any other existing Internet service) don't have much practical purpose. d/ -- Dave Crocker Brandenburg InternetWorking bbiw.net