Randy, Security was encouraged to be the primary focus of the DTNRG research group, above and beyond application scenarios, or anything else. Examining years of list discussion will confirm that. It's what happens when you let security people run things as they see fit, with their natural bias towards security above all else. Focus on security, you can get security. You won't get users, or anything useful for the scenario, but you can get security. Lloyd Wood http://sat-net.com/L.Wood/dtn ________________________________________ From: Randy Bush [randy@xxxxxxx] Sent: 04 April 2014 03:07 To: Wood L Dr (Electronic Eng) Cc: IETF Disgust Subject: Re: Security for various IETF services > "because we blew it way back when, by designing a completely insecure > and un-private internet" > That was not a mistake. That is what made adoption possible. this is not clear. though, certainly, crypto would have had serious performance impact in the ealy '80s. then again, if at 9600 baud, you can afford a bit of processing on the ends. :) > DTN started with security from the get-go, and DTN has gone nowhere. i was not aware that security was a major cause of the lack of success of the dtn. randy