"because we blew it way back when, by designing a completely insecure and un-private internet" That was not a mistake. That is what made adoption possible. DTN started with security from the get-go, and DTN has gone nowhere. Lloyd Wood http://about.me/lloydwood ________________________________________ From: Randy Bush [randy@xxxxxxx] Sent: 04 April 2014 01:29 To: Wood L Dr (Electronic Eng) Cc: IETF Disgust Subject: Re: Security for various IETF services > "It would be good to see the excellent work of Dukhovni and Parsons extended > to include authentication of sending servers (clients) to support federation. " > > Why? because we blew it way back when, by designing a completely insecure and un-private internet. as supposedly responsible and occasionally competent engineers, we should rectify our mistakes. the internet is not an experimental plaything. randy