On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 07:34:22PM -0400, John Leslie wrote: > > The sad truth is, the IESG no longer has the spare cycles to "Just > say No." I was on the receiving end of an IESG that simply stalled a document until the WG changed its approach, because of IETF concerns, so I disagree with that claim. But if it is true, then we might as well give up. If there's weak IETF consensus (with some strong objections) to a document that comes from a WG and has strong consensus inside the WG, the _only_ people who can say no are the IESG; and they must. Best regards, A -- Andrew Sullivan ajs@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx