thanks. small screens are a good point, in many cultures phones etc. are the main mode of internet access. not sure what a clean, modern look and feel is, but that may just be my age showing. what about the trade-off between density and having to do more clickivation to get where you want to go? i am on the dense side, probably because i have become used to japan's high visual density, and i kinda hate lots of clicking and page loading. randy