> OK, it seems that RFC1436 is the way to go for the redesign. perhaps instead of repeated sarcasm and put-downs, you could explain technically what it is you want in the user interface of the ietf web site and the features needed to support it. that way, folk actually trying to wade through the redesign decision actually have something to consider. fwiw, i have seen usable and featurful web sites that are done with pretty simple technology and work in very sparse user environments. randy