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If one (except English) of the six U.N.'s official languages was chosen for IETF language, what is your feeling? For your proposal, I think it would be more disruptive than constructive, because it will actually exclude the non-native English speakers who speak poor (or not good) English to participate in IETF
activity by requiring this kind of English level. (Note that I think many non-native English speaker might aslo feel insulting to get some qualification).
Those people who speak "low quality" English usually feel more frustrated and much more pressure than the corresponding native English speakers, who like to mumble and speak fast, so they try very
hard to improve their English. While they are working hard to improve their English, I would suggest the native English speakers take the "BIG" privilege (since English is IETF language) to speak simple words and speak clearly as many excellent WG chairs do.
In addition, I think it would be more challenging in ITU-T (many non-native English participants including Asian people) than IETF if there was an English issue in IETF, because everything should
be done including drafting work during the ITU-T living meeting. However, IETF work is mainly done through the mailing list, and most of the non-native English people should be competent for reading and writing.
Best Regards Fatai -----Original Message----- My proposal was not that there be mandatory assessment, but that the level be met. That's broadly in line with the rest of the IETF, which doesn't assess someone's ability to do Internet engineering, or check credentials or qualifications to be able to do so, either. (Which may explain the design
of the protocol the reader immediately thought of.) In both cases, assuming everyone is capable works well - except in those cases where it clearly doesn't. Lloyd Wood ________________________________________ From: Arturo Servin [arturo.servin@xxxxxxxxx] Sent: 09 March 2014 21:15 To: Wood L Dr (Electronic Eng) Cc: Scott Brim; <ietf@xxxxxxxx> list Subject: Re: IETF working language On Sat, Mar 8, 2014 at 1:53 PM, <l.wood@xxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:l.wood@xxxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote: I'm more concerned with reading and writing. And I more concerned about the lack of empathy that native English speakers have regarding non-native. Also, as a non-native speaker of English that has put a lot of effort to learn a second language I found very insulting that I would need to be assessed in my understanding and use of English to participate in the
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