Opinion noted, Joel, but you supplied no arguments to convince me nor for me to resolve to convince you. All I can say back to you is that we would need to find those people, educate them about the functioning of the IETF, and work out how to fund the work. None of those is impossible, but they are factors. Adrian > -----Original Message----- > From: joel jaeggli [mailto:joelja@xxxxxxxxx] > Sent: 18 March 2014 03:06 > To: Mary Barnes; <adrian@xxxxxxxxxxxx>; presnick@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > Cc: <ietf@xxxxxxxx> > Subject: Re: Comments on draft-farrresnickel-harassment-01 > > On 3/17/14, 10:59 AM, Mary Barnes wrote: > > > Not being a lawyer and having my only experience with corporate > > anti-harassment procedures being "avoid at all costs" (i.e., get a new > > manager rather than have to go to HR and complain about a boss), I don't > > think I have the right answers as to how this needs to be addressed, but I > > don't think it can be avoided. > > I would very much prefer that one of them be and outsider, or least a > no-longer practicing participant in the IETF activity. The current > person serving temporarily in the role effectively meets those criterion > modula coworkers who are participants, and an enterprise with a > proprietary interest in the successful functioning of the IETF. >