Aha, thanks for that Lloyd. On 13 Mar 2014, at 07:38, <l.wood@xxxxxxxxxxxx> <l.wood@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > I suggest forwarding much of this discussion to > the internet-history list to be captured. > > http://www.postel.org/internet-history/ > > Lloyd Wood > http://about.me/lloydwood > ________________________________________ > From: ietf [ietf-bounces@xxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Ole Jacobsen [olejacobsen@xxxxxx] > Sent: 13 March 2014 01:07 > To: Robert Elz > Cc: John C Klensin; ietf@xxxxxxxx > Subject: Re: Web Anniversary > > On Thu, 13 Mar 2014, Robert Elz wrote: > >> Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2014 13:35:56 -0400 >> From: John C Klensin <klensin@xxxxxxx> >> Message-ID: <60CBF25E851513F3E437727D@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> >> >> | As others have pointed out, the first international connections >> | were to the UK and Norway, not The Netherlands. >> >> The UK and NO links were really arpanet links, not internet, and >> were subject to all of the arpanet restrictions. For example, I am >> reasonably sure that mail from janet users to arpanet users did not >> travel over the arpnet's UK link. I suspect the same was true of Norway. > > Initially, yes, but TCP/IP was introduced in 1983. We certainly had > connections between SATNET, UNINETT in Norway and networks on the > other side of the Atlantic around that time. (I worked at NDRE and > later at NTARE). The initial connection to Norway was at NORSAR, the > Norwegian Seismic Array, to measure all those frequent and strong > earthquakes we have in Norway --- not ;=) > >> >> So, while it was technically true that there were those international >> arpanet links, they (like all the private intra-company links, whether >> they used IP or something else) don't really count as internet links. > > The claim was that the first international [Internet] link was created > by the Netherlands and happened in 1988, that's certainly not true. > It's at least 5 years too late, and it wasn't the first anyway. > >> >> I would certainly count the NL link (really, EU link, that happened to >> terminate in Amsterdam) as the first international true internet link >> (in that it connected other networks, not just an end system or two). >> > > See above. > >> But wrt ccTLDs you're right, NL certainly wasn't first - excluding US >> and UK (which were registered before registrations opened...) I think >> the first was IL (and it would have been 1985 - before the 1986 reg >> date cited for NL). Ignoring UK, NL might well have been the first >> European TLD registered though. >> > > Of course UK should have been GB as per the ISO code, but Postel > granted them an exception. Lots of good history to tell here, but > this is probably the wrong list :-) > >> | I really wish that we could somehow restore the spirit of a >> | collaborative effort, one with many cooperating contributors to >> >> It would be good, but it is too big for that now, and includes all those >> people whose primary interest is publicity (including politicians of >> course) - for whom outlandish claims and self promotion are normal. >> >> kre >> >> >> > > Ole >