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Aha, thanks for that Lloyd.

On 13 Mar 2014, at 07:38, <l.wood@xxxxxxxxxxxx> <l.wood@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> I suggest forwarding much of this discussion to
> the internet-history list to be captured.
> 
> http://www.postel.org/internet-history/
> 
> Lloyd Wood
> http://about.me/lloydwood
> ________________________________________
> From: ietf [ietf-bounces@xxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Ole Jacobsen [olejacobsen@xxxxxx]
> Sent: 13 March 2014 01:07
> To: Robert Elz
> Cc: John C Klensin; ietf@xxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: Web Anniversary
> 
> On Thu, 13 Mar 2014, Robert Elz wrote:
> 
>>    Date:        Wed, 12 Mar 2014 13:35:56 -0400
>>    From:        John C Klensin <klensin@xxxxxxx>
>>    Message-ID:  <60CBF25E851513F3E437727D@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> 
>>  | As others have pointed out, the first international connections
>>  | were to the UK and Norway, not The Netherlands.
>> 
>> The UK and NO links were really arpanet links, not internet, and
>> were subject to all of the arpanet restrictions.  For example, I am
>> reasonably sure that mail from janet users to arpanet users did not
>> travel over the arpnet's UK link.  I suspect the same was true of Norway.
> 
> Initially, yes, but TCP/IP was introduced in 1983. We certainly had
> connections between SATNET, UNINETT in Norway and networks on the
> other side of the Atlantic around that time. (I worked at NDRE and
> later at NTARE). The initial connection to Norway was at NORSAR, the
> Norwegian Seismic Array, to measure all those frequent and strong
> earthquakes we have in Norway --- not ;=)
> 
>> 
>> So, while it was technically true that there were those international
>> arpanet links, they (like all the private intra-company links, whether
>> they used IP or something else) don't really count as internet links.
> 
> The claim was that the first international [Internet] link was created
> by the Netherlands and happened in 1988, that's certainly not true.
> It's at least 5 years too late, and it wasn't the first anyway.
> 
>> 
>> I would certainly count the NL link (really, EU link, that happened to
>> terminate in Amsterdam) as the first international true internet link
>> (in that it connected other networks, not just an end system or two).
>> 
> 
> See above.
> 
>> But wrt ccTLDs you're right, NL certainly wasn't first - excluding US
>> and UK (which were registered before registrations opened...) I think
>> the first was IL (and it would have been 1985 - before the 1986 reg
>> date cited for NL).    Ignoring UK, NL might well have been the first
>> European TLD registered though.
>> 
> 
> Of course UK should have been GB as per the ISO code, but Postel
> granted them an exception. Lots of good history to tell here, but
> this is probably the wrong list :-)
> 
>>  | I really wish that we could somehow restore the spirit of a
>>  | collaborative effort, one with many cooperating contributors to
>> 
>> It would be good, but it is too big for that now, and includes all those
>> people whose primary interest is publicity (including politicians of
>> course) - for whom outlandish claims and self promotion are normal.
>> 
>> kre
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
> Ole
> 






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