An you clarify whether you consider your use case as trying to meet the requirements of 6.1.2 or the requirements of 6.1.3 of RFC 3979. Regards Keith > -----Original Message----- > From: WGChairs [mailto:wgchairs-bounces@xxxxxxxx] On Behalf > Of Mulligan, Geoff > Sent: 27 January 2014 17:01 > To: Jari Arkko > Cc: IETF WG Chairs; ietf@xxxxxxxx Mailing List > Subject: RE: Third party disclosures and NDAs (Re: Problem > with new Note Well ) > > So because I know of IPR that someone else has and is not > disclosing and because I cannot legally disclose it - I can't > continue to participate in the discussion doesn't seem right. > I'm not the holder of the IPR that isn't being disclosed, > but I'm penalized. > > Geoff > > > Geoff Mulligan | Presidential Innovation Fellow | Cyber > Physical Systems | 301.975.6283 > > ________________________________________ > From: Jari Arkko <jari.arkko@xxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Monday, January 27, 2014 11:02 AM > To: Mulligan, Geoff > Cc: IETF WG Chairs; ietf@xxxxxxxx Mailing List > Subject: Third party disclosures and NDAs (Re: Problem with > new Note Well ) > > Starting a separate thread, because this is not related to > the original complaint about inaccurate new note well text. > > > Maybe this is a potential rat-hole - I don't know - but what if: > > - I'm working as a consultant and attending the IETF > representing myself > > - I know of IPR in someone else's contribution > > - I'm participating in the discussion > > - I'm under an NDA with that company that covers their IPR > > That is a rat-^H^H^H^Hhard problem. Something has to give. > You can't simultaneously follow two incompatible sets of > rules. If you end up in that situation and can't convince > parties to disclose, maybe "participating in the discussion" > has to give. Of course this is a specific example of things > that can happen in people's lives in other ways, too. Two > consulting contracts that have incompatible requirements. > Board position and a job that creates a conflict interest for > you to be in the board. And so on. > > Jari > >