On Jan 2, 2014, at 9:25 AM, Ted Lemon <ted.lemon@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > On Jan 2, 2014, at 8:35 AM, Bjoern Hoehrmann <derhoermi@xxxxxxx> wrote: >> The part where it says the IETF will work to mitigate Google's pervasive >> monitoring. > Are we talking about the same document? I just googled it for the word "google" and got zero hits. Dialing in a little closer, consider this snippet from the actual text of the document: In the Internet, the term ["attack"] is used to refer to a behavior that subverts the intent of a communicator without the agreement of the parties to the communication. So in the case of Google, the parties seem to have agreed to the communication, which suggests to me that this document is specifically not talking about Google. Unless Google is in the habit of eavesdropping on communications to which it is not a party.