RE: Last Call: <draft-farrell-perpass-attack-02.txt> (Pervasive Monitoring is an Attack) to Best Current Practice

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what it means for work moving through the IETF process
is that any work becomes subject to security veto.

if security types don't like your work - tough. it's
going nowhere. draft-farrell really widens that scope.
and this is going to mean arguments about
much more than the tradeoffs of using MD5.

for a self-described technical organisation that
does not make policy pronouncements (which is
itself a very political position, but never mind)
this draft is awfully political.

Lloyd Wood
http://about.me/lloydwood
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From: ietf [ietf-bounces@xxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Melinda Shore [melinda.shore@xxxxxxxxx]
Sent: 01 January 2014 05:38
To: ietf@xxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Last Call: <draft-farrell-perpass-attack-02.txt> (Pervasive Monitoring is an Attack) to Best Current Practice

On 12/31/13 3:23 PM, Dave Crocker wrote:
>      We should not approve an IETF policy statement
>     until we have a good idea of the way we will use it.

I think this is a critical point and I agree quite strongly
with it.  I've mostly been baffled by the IETF response to
revelations about internet eavesdropping, to be honest,
and it's struck me that work on some of the problems that
need to be solved to provide better privacy guarantees (for
example, fixing PKI and providing better keying) have been
pushed to a back burner in a scramble to make grandiose
pronouncements.  It's not that draft-farrell is a bad
document on its own merits, it's just that I cannot for
the life of me understand what it specifically means for
work moving through the IETF process.

Melinda






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