On 12/31/13 3:23 PM, Dave Crocker wrote: > We should not approve an IETF policy statement > until we have a good idea of the way we will use it. I think this is a critical point and I agree quite strongly with it. I've mostly been baffled by the IETF response to revelations about internet eavesdropping, to be honest, and it's struck me that work on some of the problems that need to be solved to provide better privacy guarantees (for example, fixing PKI and providing better keying) have been pushed to a back burner in a scramble to make grandiose pronouncements. It's not that draft-farrell is a bad document on its own merits, it's just that I cannot for the life of me understand what it specifically means for work moving through the IETF process. Melinda