On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 08:39:47PM +0000, Stephen Farrell wrote: > I disagree. Even if X% of people agreed or approved or authorized > the attack, it would still be an attack. But this leads you immediately down the path to the objection that inspired my suggestion: lots of things that you might _want_ for yourself qualify as an attack under the draft as written. Google analytics is not an attack even under the slightly funny meaning of "attack" we're using here; it's a management tool. The draft actually makes this point, in that it notes that there's a tension between making networks managable and mitigating pervasive monitoring. I think it's necessary to add some sort of indication of what principles can be used to resolve that tension. Best regards, A -- Andrew Sullivan ajs@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx