> In this case, the waters are much murkier (there's nothing that specifically says we can't vote), so I think it's reasonable to let the community take a stab at how it wants proceed. If the WG can come up with a process that involves sticking hands up in the air or paper ballots or whatever that still protects (to quote a certain document) "the rights of all parties in a fair and open Internet Standards Process", then we're doing "the right thing". But they do have to come up with that fair and open process. I for one am willing to wait and see if the WG and the larger IETF community can come to consensus on how to do that. Yes - agreed. Jari