"t. p." <daedulus@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > But we are NOT Engineers, just 'scientists, technicians and > programmers'. > > Seriously, I think that a lack of comprehension of the existence of > engineering is a major hindrance is some parts of the world, such as > where the Economist comes from. It's a stretch to attribute that to this article. Programmers are usually considered to be a subset of "engineering", and technicians certainly includes engineers. And the subtitle of the piece, in large print at the top, is, "Stung by revelations of ubiquitous surveillance and compromised software, the internet's engineers and programmers ponder how to fight back" -- Cos