Mr. Roger Jorgensen It is not a misunderstanding of IETF at all. In fact, in your role you should be better than this. http://wnlabs.com/about/executive.php If you look at my resume you will see that I understand standards groups well. I actually started the process to have IETF look at DIVA and Whitenoise as a working group item, went through the process of posting the patent disclosures through the IETF (check your own web site.) The process was held up on our end because of concerns of IETF modifying code etc. Mr. Morrow, in the height of hypocrisy, accuses us of trolling when the person that you are having as your plenary speaker tomorrow makes a living out of trolling his opinions on rag blogs. That may be fine for subjects not as important as ones dealing with the future of the Internet, Security and Privacy and possibly democracies in the modern world. You are feting a man who does nothing but creates controversy but with no first hand experience on working within government and the competing priorities they must try to balance for our benefit. Instead, Schneier is central to the most important conversation of our times while being an apologist for a criminal, Snowden, who broke some of the most important security laws of any nation. Now, it can be argued that sometimes for the greater good, there must be peaceful resistance or breaking of laws that aren’t right in order to elevate the social consciousness. There is some validity to that. But heroes, in that sense of the word, are people like Mandela and Martin Luther King that broke the law but faced the consequences in the countries and systems that they challenged. They did not flee like outlaws to countries that might be considered existential enemies of the ones they are trashing. And Mr. Schneier, the master troller of all time, in blogs like Mafia News, with no first hand knowledge, has taken control of the conversation and you, like sycophants, will praise him without challenging him and keep a one sided uneven argument going. You simply want speakers to speak that reinforce your own perspective and not advance any real kind of meaningful discussion. Someone should have the guts to ask Schneier what his qualifications are and why he and David Wagner took the course they did when they are “respected” computer scientists. Andre Brisson Richard Marshall ________________________________________ From: Roger Jørgensen [rogerj@xxxxxxxxx] Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2013 11:18 AM To: Christopher Morrow Cc: Andre Brisson; ietf@xxxxxxxx Subject: Re: Look who is leading the most important debate affecting democracy On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 5:40 PM, Christopher Morrow <morrowc.lists@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > troll much? Looked to me more like misunderstanding of IETF. -- Roger Jorgensen | ROJO9-RIPE rogerj@xxxxxxxxx | - IPv6 is The Key! http://www.jorgensen.no | roger@xxxxxxxxxxxx