Or perhaps the curse of Ericsson. The e-mail to which I am replying causes my e-mail client to download SEVEN Megabytes of CRL which, even over broadband, takes ninety five seconds (I suspect that the PDU is minuscule and the round trip long). Is it worth it just to know that the message is authenticated? Not for me:-( Tom Petch ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jari Arkko" <jari.arkko@xxxxxxxxxxxx> To: "Barry Leiba" <barryleiba@xxxxxxxxxxxx> Cc: <draft-kolkman-proposed-standards-clarified.all@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; "Dave Crocker" <dcrocker@xxxxxxxx>; "IETF Discussion" <ietf@xxxxxxxx> Sent: Saturday, November 02, 2013 3:08 AM Subject: Re: Review of: Characterization of Proposed Standards