Hi, Thanks, Donald ============================= Donald E. Eastlake 3rd +1-508-333-2270 (cell) 155 Beaver Street, Milford, MA 01757 USA d3e3e3@xxxxxxxxx On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 9:27 AM, Ted Hardie <ted.ietf@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > This is a good idea. If the professionals thinking this is the right > wording, that is also fine by me. > > I do note the phrase "harassing photography or recording"; I believe our > current rules say "written, audio and video records of meetings may be made > and may be available to the public." It may be appropriate to adjust it to > something like "harassing photography or recording of individuals outside > their roles as participants" or to otherwise clarify how photography becomes > harassment. Years ago, when I was Chair of the TRADE WG, there was a participant who had severe disagreements with me concerning procedure and some technical issues. No one else supported them and they didn't appeal but they started videotaping WG meetings that I chaired. This certainly made me feel somewhat uncomfortable, although it just added a video recording to the audio recording already being made by the IETF, and I could argue that they were trying to harass or, perhaps more accurately, intimidate me. Never-the-less, they had the right to do that and I don't think they should have been stopped from doing so. Thanks, Donald ============================= Donald E. Eastlake 3rd +1-508-333-2270 (cell) 155 Beaver Street, Milford, MA 01757 USA d3e3e3@xxxxxxxxx > regards, > > Ted Hardie > > > On Sun, Oct 20, 2013 at 10:44 AM, IETF Chair <chair@xxxxxxxx> wrote: >> >> The IETF should be an open and accessible body in which any individual >> feels >> able to participate without fear of oppression or harassment. The IESG >> has >> become aware of some incidents of concern, is aware of various incidents >> in our >> industry in general, and has also observed that many similar organisations >> and >> conferences have a policy on this matter. >> >> In order to ensure the right atmosphere and to provide a suitable >> environment, >> the IESG has decided that it is desirable to write a simple and >> straightforward >> policy on harassment. This is not only to remind participants not to >> harass >> others (something that we hope is obvious to us all), but also to let >> anyone who >> it the target of harassment know that we take these matters seriously and >> that >> there is something they can do to address these sorts of incidents should >> they >> occur. >> >> A small design team has looked at existing policies used by other groups >> similar >> to the IETF and consulted with some of the ISOC professionals with >> expertise in >> human resources and issues of workplace harassment. The design team has >> put >> together what the IESG feels is a good anti-harassment policy for the >> IETF: It >> is short and to the point, it is modeled on and makes heavy re-use of the >> language of existing policies, and it sets forth reasonable procedures for >> the >> IETF. >> >> The IESG intends to put in place Ombudspersons as confidential initial >> contact >> points for situations where there is a concern of harassment. The >> selection of >> Ombudspersons will happen later, and the person(s) will have appropriate >> training and expertise. >> >> The IESG plans to adopt this as an IESG Statement. We solicit your >> feedback. We >> understand that this is a difficult and sensitive topic to discuss, but we >> do >> want your comments. If you feel more comfortable sending comments directly >> to >> the IESG <iesg@xxxxxxxx> rather than discussing them on the IETF list, >> please >> feel free to do so. >> >> Jari Arkko for the IESG >> >> --- Draft Statement --- >> >> IETF Anti-Harassment Policy >> >> IETF meetings, virtual meetings, and mailing lists are intended for >> professional >> collaboration and networking. The IETF strives to create and maintain an >> environment in which people are treated with dignity, decency, and >> respect. >> Those who participate in the IETF are expected to behave according to >> professional standards and demonstrate appropriate workplace behavior. >> While >> participating in the IETF, communication between participants should be >> appropriate for a professional audience including people of many different >> backgrounds. >> >> While our processes let chairs deal with disruptive public behaviors on >> mailing >> lists and in IETF face-to-face meetings, harassment is a serious problem >> that >> warrants special attention. IETF participants should not engage in >> harassment >> while at IETF meetings, virtual meetings, social events, or on mailing >> lists. >> Harassment is unwelcome hostile or intimidating behavior, in particular >> speech >> and behavior that is sexually aggressive or intimidates based on >> attributes like >> race, gender, religion, age, color, national origin, ancestry, disability, >> sexual orientation, or gender identity. Harassment of this sort will not >> be >> tolerated in the IETF. Harassment includes the use of offensive language >> or >> sexual imagery in public presentations and displays, degrading verbal >> comments, >> deliberate intimidation, stalking, harassing photography or recording, >> inappropriate physical contact, and unwelcome sexual attention. >> >> Participants asked to stop any harassing behavior are expected to comply >> immediately. If you believe you have been harassed, notice that >> someone else is being harassed, or have any other concerns, you are >> encouraged >> to raise your concern in confidence with one of the Ombudspersons. >> >> If these standards are violated, appropriate action will be taken. > >