Hitting another part of AB's message: > The ADs SHOULD have important-things in IETF that they are not allowed > to do. I don't like this off-hat and on-hat activities, or two/three > role-images per person in one volunteer organisation. This also sounds self-evident, but I'm afraid it would make people even *less* likely to volunteer for AD positions if they were explicitly not allowed to participate in the normal IETF discourse. I think most of us do choose to limit our non-AD participation, because we are aware that even when we *say* we're speaking only as participants, some people will give our comments more weight than they (the comments) deserve, simply because we also have AD roles -- which is, of course, AB's point. But if we made an explicit rule that ADs should not participate in, say, technical discussions in working groups, I think we'd make things worse than they are, not better. Barry, Applications AD