On 9/12/13 3:02 AM, Masataka Ohta wrote: > Phillip Hallam-Baker wrote: > >> 3) A relying party thus requires a demonstration that is secure against a >> replay attack from one or more trusted parties to be assured that the time >> assertion presented is current but this need not necessarily be the same as >> the source of the signed time assertion itself. > >> The real design decision is who you decide you are going to rely on for >> (3). TLS is proof against replay attack due to the exchange of nonces. > > How can you get secure time to securely confirm that a certificate > of TLS has not expired? > > Use yet another PKI? > > Masataka Ohta > No, you have your own clock. .as