> OK, somebody has to say it. Maybe we should have another state, > something like draft standard. [ sob alluded to a private message from me which said ] while i really like the idea of pushing well-tested interoperable documents to full standards, i think tested interop is key here. hence i liked the old interop tests for ds and am not all that happy to see it go (yes, i whined privately to russ). our protocols are rarely based on any testable formalism, computer science, mathematics, ... we live on a pile of crap hacks. interop is about all that keeps us from entropic degeneration. randy