--On Saturday, August 10, 2013 11:14 -0400 Ted Lemon <ted.lemon@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > On Aug 10, 2013, at 11:00 AM, Dave Crocker <dhc@xxxxxxxxxxxx> > wrote: >> Most of this thread has ignored the IETF's own rules and >> criteria. As such, it's wasteful, at best, though I think >> it's actually destructive, since it provides fuel to the view >> that the IETF is a questionable venue for standards work. > > +1 +1 more. Not doing this sort of thing to ourselves is probably far more important, in the long run, than trying to slightly re-tune the language of 2026 in that hope that will impress someone. The latter might still be worthwhile, but it is, IMO, far more important to stop shooting ourselves in the foot. john