On Aug 2, 2013, at 9:13 AM, SM <sm@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > In my opinion part of the answer has been provided by Brian Carpenter. The other part of the answer is the minutes. The rest of the answer is in something mentioned in the Note Well. Do you think I said something that contradicts what Brian said? I believe that I agree with him. But he's talking about how you ultimately determine consensus, whereas I was talking about what hums and shows of hands mean, and in what way they are useful.