On 7/26/13, SM <sm@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > The consensus of the IETF is that: > > "newcomers who attend Working Group meetings are encouraged to > observe and absorb whatever material they can, but should not > interfere with the ongoing process of the group" This is bad for IETF, why no interfer from new experience, does IETF want to only be guided by longer-working people? > > It was also mentioned that: > > "Working group meetings are not intended for the education of > individuals" I think few ietf-WGs need to be educated or need mentoring, so newcomers are recommended to help. I will add that it will be nice to know the newcomers opinion about such consensus, and make an IETF newcomer-WG consensus. The problem is that our IETF General Area (GA) is still not covering all important issues and left to the IESG to control thoes issues not the community. I requested before and still want to do now, to suggest WGs in the GA, therefore, we avoid discouraging reactions/decisions. > > The first quote might discourage newcomers from participating. I > suggest discussing about the two quotes during the orientation as > they could be misunderstood. Yes it does for me. I support your suggestion, because I don't think I misunderstood, they seem clear to exclude newcomers and only include groupings not individuals. AB