Yes, agree, we will change that accordingly. Thanks. On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 11:40 PM, Donald Eastlake <d3e3e3@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > First/Last = bad/ambiguous > > Family (or maybe inherited) / Given = good > > Thanks, > Donald > ============================= > Donald E. Eastlake 3rd +1-508-333-2270 (cell) > 155 Beaver Street, Milford, MA 01757 USA > d3e3e3@xxxxxxxxx > > > On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 10:22 AM, Cyrus Daboo <cyrus@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >> Hi Simon, >> >> >> --On July 11, 2013 at 3:58:10 PM +0200 Simon Perreault >> <simon.perreault@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >> >>>> We submitted two drafts to help people here to correctly call chinese >>>> people names: >>>> >>>> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-deng-call-chinese-names-00 >>>> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-zcao-chinese-pronounce-00 >>> >>> >>> Very cool! Thanks for writing this! >>> >>> I have a question: I think I've seen Chinese names written in both >>> orders. That is, sometimes "Hui Deng" will be written "Deng Hui". Am I >>> right? Does this happen often? What is the most common order? Is there a >>> way to guess what order a name is written in? Sometimes it's not easy >>> for non-Sinophones to know which part is the given name and which part >>> is the family name. >> >> >> Well that actually brings up a good technical point! >> >> In iCalendar (RFC5545) we have properties to represent the organizer and >> attendee of meetings. A parameter (attribute) of those properties is "CN" - >> defined to be the "common name" of the corresponding calendar user. >> Obviously that is a single string and typically the concatenation of first >> name/last name. But that of course is a very "Western" approach. >> >> I have had several people request that iCalendar instead define new >> parameters for "FIRST-NAME" and "LAST-NAME". That then gives clients the >> option of re-ordering those for display purposes based on user locales and >> preferences. >> >> So, from a technical standpoint, it seems better to always represent user >> names using components (last, first, middle)? vCard does have an "N" >> property where individual components of a name can be broken out. >> >> -- >> Cyrus Daboo >>