Re: Is this an elephant? [Was: call for ideas: tail-heavy IETF process]

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On 05/17/2013 10:21 PM, Andy Bierman wrote:

I notice that nowhere on this list is any mention of the charter milestones or dates. Is the Foo Proto draft due in 14 months or is it 14 months behind
schedule?  If the latter, why isn't the Foo WG meeting at the IETF?


I don't think milestones will be useful unless and until:

(a) they're defined in terms of not only concrete but also meaningful goals (e.g. "complete problem definition", "identify affected parties and groups representing their interests", "complete outline of initial design", but NOT "revise document X"); (b) we start automatically suspending the activities of groups that fail to meet them (no meetings, no new I-Ds accepted, mailing list traffic blocked), until such groups are formally rechartered; and (c) IESG is reluctant to recharter groups that have repeatedly failed to meet milestones, especially if those groups haven't produced evidence of significant progress.

Keith





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