Is this an elephant? [Was: call for ideas: tail-heavy IETF process]

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The claim (or one of the claims) is that some ADs may place Discusses that are
intended to raise a discussion with the authors/WG that could equally have been
raised with a Comment or through direct email. This, it is claimed, may
unnecessarily delay the document from completing the publication process.

Now the dangerous bit,

Suppose the AD raised her concern by writing a Comment or sending an email and
balloting "No Objection." That would mean that the I-D would be approved for
publication.

At this point either:
- the discussion goes on, but the document becomes an RFC anyway
or
- the responsible AD holds the document pending satisfactory completion of the
discussion.

I suggest that the former is a bad result. Not that the authors/WG will ignore
the discussion, but if they disagree on something the AD considers very
important, the authors/WG have no incentive to participate in the discussion. Of
course, all participants in this thread so far would never behave like that, but
there is a possibility that this will happen for some authors.

I also suggest that the latter introduces exactly the same amount of delay as
the Discuss.

Personally (but this may reflect my Discusses) I find that an active engagement
by the authors and the Discussing AD on the issue and the potential resolution,
always leads to speedy progression of the document either with the AD feeling
stupid, or the document improved. Both are adequate results.

Adrian






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