seems to me that o spf is still used, whether we think it is a good idea or not o spf is using the spf rrtype o we don't shoot an rrtype which is still being used o overloading txt with a whole lot of things we don't like is stupid++ for soooo many reasons if you don't like spf, then *convince* folk to use something better. until then, find something better to do with your copious spare time. randy