Possibly attendance at the "newcomers" meeting would be something that you could do just once but could be deferred to a later meeting you attend if you miss on the first one for any reasons. Thanks, Donald ============================= Donald E. Eastlake 3rd +1-508-333-2270 (cell) 155 Beaver Street, Milford, MA 01757 USA d3e3e3@xxxxxxxxx On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 9:55 AM, Pat Thaler <pthaler@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > At my first meeting, I wasn't able to arrive on Sunday. At that point, I was mainly following work in one working group that was meeting mid-week. At later meetings, I wasn't a newcomer any more so I never attended a Newcomer meet and greet. That is probably pretty common. > > Pat > > -----Original Message----- > From: ietf-bounces@xxxxxxxx [mailto:ietf-bounces@xxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Spencer Dawkins > Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2013 5:37 AM > To: adrian@xxxxxxxxxxxx > Cc: John C Klensin; IETF-Discussion list; The IESG > Subject: Re: Mentoring > > On 3/14/2013 7:30 AM, Adrian Farrel wrote: >> Mary, >> >> I need to check but... >> >>> [MB] What I find interesting is that there was 200+ newcomers, but I >>> certainly didn't find that many at the meet and greet. I have to >>> wonder whether this doesn't have to do with the overlap between Sunday >>> tutorials and this event. I think that needs to be fixed. >> >> Very right that it would need to be fixed, but I thought that it was avoided explicitly and >> deliberately. Anyone got a copy of the agenda in front of them? > > The second slot for tutorials is listed as 1500-1650. The newcomer's gig > is listed as 1600-1700. So, conflicting. > >> Maybe we could do a little research on why newcomers don't show at this meeting. Are they tired? >> Shy? Unaware? Not perceiving the value? > > I've been supported by an IETF sponsor who has sent a heck of a lot of > new attendees to the IETF since 2005. One point that's come up > repeatedly is that people show up on Sunday afternoon and evening > because the "real IETF meeting" starts Monday morning. > > Some of the newcomers are likely still at the airport during the > newcomer's meet and greet. > > Spencer >