At my first meeting, I wasn't able to arrive on Sunday. At that point, I was mainly following work in one working group that was meeting mid-week. At later meetings, I wasn't a newcomer any more so I never attended a Newcomer meet and greet. That is probably pretty common. Pat -----Original Message----- From: ietf-bounces@xxxxxxxx [mailto:ietf-bounces@xxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Spencer Dawkins Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2013 5:37 AM To: adrian@xxxxxxxxxxxx Cc: John C Klensin; IETF-Discussion list; The IESG Subject: Re: Mentoring On 3/14/2013 7:30 AM, Adrian Farrel wrote: > Mary, > > I need to check but... > >> [MB] What I find interesting is that there was 200+ newcomers, but I >> certainly didn't find that many at the meet and greet. I have to >> wonder whether this doesn't have to do with the overlap between Sunday >> tutorials and this event. I think that needs to be fixed. > > Very right that it would need to be fixed, but I thought that it was avoided explicitly and > deliberately. Anyone got a copy of the agenda in front of them? The second slot for tutorials is listed as 1500-1650. The newcomer's gig is listed as 1600-1700. So, conflicting. > Maybe we could do a little research on why newcomers don't show at this meeting. Are they tired? > Shy? Unaware? Not perceiving the value? I've been supported by an IETF sponsor who has sent a heck of a lot of new attendees to the IETF since 2005. One point that's come up repeatedly is that people show up on Sunday afternoon and evening because the "real IETF meeting" starts Monday morning. Some of the newcomers are likely still at the airport during the newcomer's meet and greet. Spencer