Thanks for that Mary. Looks like you have found an issue that has "crept in". Certainly now on my list for the schedule planning for Berlin. I was *sure* that when the IAOC session was being planned we set bounds that this must stop before the newbies welcome because both the newcomers *and* the chairs would want to be at both sessions. Adrian On Thu 14/03/13 12:34 PM , "Mary Barnes" mary.ietf.barnes@xxxxxxxxx sent: > On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 7:30 AM, Adrian Farrel <adrian@ol > ddog.co.uk> wrote:> Mary, > > > > I need to check but... > > > >> [MB] What I find interesting is that there > was 200+ newcomers, but I>> certainly didn't find that many at the meet > and greet. I have to>> wonder whether this doesn't have to do with > the overlap between Sunday>> tutorials and this event. I think that > needs to be fixed.> > > Very right that it would need to be fixed, but I > thought that it was avoided explicitly and> deliberately. Anyone got a copy of the agenda in > front of them?[MB] > Sunday: > > 1500-1650 Introduction to RAI Development in the IETF Tutorial - Caribbean > 51500-1650 IAOC Overview Session - Caribbean 6 > 1600-1700 Newcomers' Meet and Greet (open to Newcomers and WG chairs > only) - Boca Patio > > So, if newcomers want to attend either of the 2nd sessions, they miss > the meet and greet. In particular, since they are now scheduling > these Intros to Area X during that 2nd slot. It makes no sense to me. > I pinged Radia and there was some discussion on the edu list as to > how to work around this - perhaps shortening the tutorials a tad and > maybe starting a tad earlier. > > [/MB] > > > > > > Maybe we could do a little research on why > newcomers don't show at this meeting. Are they tired?> Shy? Unaware? Not perceiving the > value?> > > Adrian > > >